Hi, There is a prog out there somewhere, (mostly use by the Lara Croft crowd :) called "Jack the ripper" that rips sound and bitmaps, models, etc. out of the assorted "tomb raider" progs, I imagine is should also work with other programs. Failing that download hotline from downloads.com, you're bound t find what you're looking for there if you have the patience, (and the right tracker) try trackertracker.com (I think) or google, they should help you find some decent trackers, and hlsearch.com will give you a search engine of sorts. later jb