Just so the anim8or guy doesn't get blamed for my bad instructions, the Gingerbread tutorial is mine, and not an "official" anim8or tutorial. Sounds like I need to read over the instructions, and see if I can word things a little better. I seem to recall having a similar problem, and I think it had something to do with internal faces making weird stuff happen with the subdivide. I'll see if I can't improve the wording to keep this from happening to others. Sounds like it wouldn't hurt for me to try this using the Wacom tablet, too. Sorry about the confusion. --Terri