I have Bryce 4.1 also, and am trying out the Bryce 5 demo. Pro's - Tree Lab, Metaballs, higher rendering settings, customizable object and material library, network animation rendering(retail version), larger maps usable for terrains. Con's - Higher render settings come at a price, much longer render's. I also hear that the 30-day demo renders somewhat longer overall than the retail version. My opinion - If you haven't learned most of Bryce 4 yet...don't bog yourself down with version 5, but then again, I do really like version 5 a lot, it is worth the upgrade for the Pro's listed above. Also, you are about to get MANY responses saying Bryce 5 is crap, and to not get it because it is the slowest thing in the universe. Take it all with a grain of salt. Get the free 30 day demo, and check it out. Any scene if rendered in both (retail) versions and with the SAME settings will render near the same with version 5 being 5%-8% slower, not really a big deal, unless you are a pc babysitter. Most nay sayers make a scene in v5, jack up the new render settings (there are many) to max, and complain it takes forever. Well, do that, and it will. Bottom line - Get your hands on the demo, render the hell out of it and find out for yourself. Agent Smith

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