Dang... this doesn't really address the original poster's question, but every time I see a still from Final Fantasy, I am knocked out all over again. For all of the many vendors and artists who claim "Final Fantasy realism" or the much-abused "photorealistic" for their stuff... there's the bar. No one I've seen has managed to reach it, much less raise it, yet. Final Fantasy is the only work I know of that has ever managed to pass the Turing test of 3D -- making computer-generated people that can fool meat people into thinking they're people, too. (I defy anyone to parse that sentence.) An engineer I worked with flatly refused to believe some .mpgs I showed him of Grey and Aki weren't of live actors until I took him to the FF website. That's a hell of a long way from "Money For Nothing." Gives us all something to strive for, I guess. I can't wait to see where 3D animation is in another ten years. -nemo