thanks, Twiz.  i sometimes miss doing those, too, but no terribly.  i've learned sooo much from working w. my current character and have garnered a few new simple skills.  not willing to give her up for personal reasons, which you may be aware of regarding Andy.  V4 loads as my default when booting up Poser, and due to mucking w. Abby for this long now, V4's proportions seem really visually odd to me these days...lol

good thing i don't give a damn about being popular...

@Ken - ok, thanks for clarifying