Farang, Schlabber's poses save me a ton of time, and I can't quite get the natural look myself. Using someone else's poses isn't the same as cheating in a game or anything. There aren't any "rules" that you have to do it all yourself. It's one artist helping another. Some of us have talents in various areas of Poser and some don't. I think it's a great help when you want just the right look, but you can't quite get it, and someone like Schlabber has it. Thanks, Schlabber! As for the models being given away or sold, shame on anyone who steals something and either sells it for gain or gives it away when it wasn't a freebie in the first place, and calling it their own when it isn't. However, when an artist creates something, puts it up for grabs, and never puts a readme with it, they set themselves up for theft. It's basically an anonymous piece with no way to prove who actually created it. Protect yourself by including a readme with your use agreement and/or restrictions with EVERYTHING you create, or don't give it away for others to use. If you don't include a readme, it could end up anywhere. Besides, I want to know who created things, just so I can give credit when I do use them, and it makes it hard when there's no details or contact info, or even instructions for how to install it. If something goes wrong with the item or you have questions about it, there's no way to get a response. Also, I don't think they have the right to complain if an item they created gets used for commercial renders if they didn't want it to be used that way, when they never stated how it can be used. Melanie