Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Poser feature dev & improvement wishlist

PoserWorld2019 opened this issue on Nov 08, 2023 ยท 73 posts


3D-Mobster posted Fri, 01 December 2023 at 5:17 AM

Im not saying that I don't care about what is legal and obviously, Renderosity should care also, but Blender, PS, MJ, CGtrader etc. all have to deal with these things as well, so I don't see it being unique for Renderosity. 

And I think, things are getting mixed up here, im not suggesting that Renderosity should develop their own AI as those huge companies have, I agree that would be absurd. 

But these smaller companies and even individuals are creating tools to be used with AI. If you look at a lot of these extensions for SD that are being developed by small open-source teams or individuals and then people can install them locally and use them to train models, create videos and images.

And I don't see why Renderosity couldn't benefit from tools like that as well. If you look at the rigging tool for characters that I showed in some of the videos, it would be pretty cool if you could rig like that in Poser rather than how it is now where it is a fairly complex task. Rigging in general takes a long time so being able to automate this would be pretty nice, even if it took 20-30 minutes it would still be faster than doing it by hand. 

Like JustBeCause that have found a use for it with textures. 

I agree that a lot of these things probably won't make it, but I think it is more likely that they will fail due to competition and that some companies will be able to deliver better applications than others as it have always been. And I think that could be said with Poser as well if they insist on maintaining the old ways, rather than keeping up with new technologies and what the other companies are doing. So it goes both ways, if Poser gets too outdated in its workflow and users can simply use another software to generate the images they like much easier and faster, that would be devastating for Poser as well.

So im not saying that Poser will automatically fail if it doesn't, but looking at how people use software in general, they tend to use those that they think solve their needs the best and fastest, and that software that gets to outdated simply fails. 

But so far Poser has lived off being easy to use. You can't compare the complexity of Blender or 3ds Max to that of Poser It is a massive learning curve and therefore it is appealing to a lot of people. But most people can within hours figure out how to generate high-quality images using generative AI, which could potentially take weeks if not months to make for a professional artist. So the barrier between complexity and quality is being removed so to speak.

And if you look at the service that CGtrader is doing with AI, it is basically what I did with V4 and SD above, they simply seem to aim at making this into a service that is easy to use and most likely further develop it. Will it fail? Maybe who knows, or it might give them an edge over the other marketplaces.

The chance is also that a new Poser-like program arrive that only uses simple 3d geometry and generative AI, we are seeing that slowly emerge in Blender, yet still in its infancy and not very good at the moment.

But things are a lot more complicated now than they were before because you can generate 3d objects anywhere and use them in whatever program. Poser will have to face these issues at some point no matter what, it might not matter or it could have a huge impact, not only on Poser but also all the content creators. Just as they have to face the fact that you can generate high-quality 2d images, which is probably a competition they didn't expect. There has always been kind of a split between 2D, photography and 3D, all requiring a huge amount of effort and skills, which has vanished if what you are after is simply the image. You no longer have to go through all the problems using a 3D program or having to draw it.