Razor42 posted at 7:32 PM Mon, 14 October 2024 - #4490343

Frankly, I think Richard deserves a raise and possibly some payment from Renderosity for moderating these forums also...

He is trying to be the "good guy"

But he is also blatantly ignoring direct questions...so not so good...


As for genAI!
Now you are talking something I know abit about. I have been actively involved with a few artists in regard to this issue.
Do genAI companies pay?
Yes and no.
No, for the most part, companies aren't paying. They are “scrapping” or “harvesting” (This is where I remind people to look very, very carefully at the ToS of profile/portfolio sites you join.)
There are many….many, current legal fights over this issue(recent win for artists is that judges are seeing it as IP infringement and trying to protect artists). The biggest ones are, including companies such as Microsoft(one claim at one point was that if a person had used a 'windows' program any time past 2000 they had a right to what was created...) and DA (amongst other companies. Lionsgate may be facing their own soon. They are training their "own genAI" with their library...but writers, actors, etc have not been asked for consent). Though, we have heard of some, many we have not even heard of on the news sites. These companies have wholesale stolen artwork and used it to “teach” their genAI. Even going so far as to list specific artists to harvest from. Then their "genAI" samples the images and POOF! You get your attempt at images from millions of pieces of work.
For the most part, these are the genAI engines most people have available to them. It's all stolen material that is sampled.

Downfall-Recently, professors studying this issue have noticed something I find particularly funny. With the huge glut of fake images from genAI, it's starting to “cannibalize” itself. In Otherworlds, the genAI engines are getting fed its own work. So the skewed images are getting…more skewed.
(Please look into glazing your work, there is another system coming up for release that will help too)

The, "Yes" part…some studios have "In house" teams that do nothing but train genAI with the studio work. This is mainly to shortened work tasks. I believe(I will have to go back and double check) the studio that did "Black myth" game, did this.
The good point-work is not stolen. It's used as it was meant to, to AID artists, not destroy their rights.
But to do this effectively…you need a massive amount of data to get it to be effective.
(This is why I question Daz stating they are training their own genAI. I have seen their galleries...they are not mega-massive)

But seeing as we are getting the "nice, good, answers" here...please note that even "richard" is outright, avoiding answering valid concerns and questions.

This goes right back to the "Why?" part.
What exactly is daz so scared of??

Why are valid, simple questions so hard to answer for them?

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