I guess for those that don't use Superfly P11 is perfectly fine.... 

For those that have gpu hardware that doesn't work in P11, P11 it isn't an option if they want to use Superfly at any speed other than crawling on a cpu or older gpu that is supported in P11..... Or if they want to use the new version of Superfly, which is way faster than the version in P11.............

Rtx 2000 series is the newest GPU you can use with P11.  By todays standards, all of those 2000 cards are very slow....

I still have a 2000 series in my machine, just for P11 (script reasons). I have 3 gpus atm.

My machine has 20 cpu cores, I use P13 with superfly running on a 4070ti, and Firefly is so slow compared to gpu rendering I don't use it much anymore. 

Just the difference in node setup is reason alone why I don't use it... You need a massive amount of nodes to do anything in Firefly that is comparable to Superfly.

My GPU is fast enough to do renders in about 5 min.

Here is an example. Try to do that in 5 minutes with Firefly, it wont have finished the IDL pass in 10.

Firefly would take 30 minutes or more to do a render like that with 20 cpu threads working on it... I know that because that is what I have, a 13th gen I5, with 20 threads.

My factory overclock 4070ti does superfly renders very fast. And has enough memory to subdivide the meshes to death for displacement and detail.

I have HD morphs at level 3 in some of my personal things, simply because I have the memory to do so, in both the cpu and gpu.

Most path tracers don't support micro poly displacement... That is nothing new, Monte Carlo engines almost always have micro poly displacement... Superfly supports displacement, but not micro displacement.. Subdivide it and be done with it... That is exactly what micro poly displacement does, it subdivides areas that need more mesh resolution. The only difference in Superfly, is that you do the entire mesh manually.... So basically the only real differences are complaining about the manual step to do so, and the hardware needed to do so....

To state that Poser isn't going to have a future year after year, stating the same reasons year after year, is a bit silly to me...

The vast majority of people that do so rarely use any of the newer features, and could still be using P6, literally.....

Those that state that always have multiple reasons to stay with an older version.... Which is fine, stay with it....

Until I can get results like above in a few minutes, Firefly is not going to be used much by me.

I am not alone in that either......

The only thing done to the image above after P13 rendered it, is a color filter. Yes, it used PostFX in Poser too...

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