Oh, that's also the picture you see when Vue 4 is loading. I also might add, that the upgrade from vue 3.1 to Vue 4 contained about 75% of the requests we had made to them through the Yahoo.com Vue e-mail list. They genuinely do listen to waht theeir loyal users want, and occasionally, they even pop in here. I'm fairly sure that most of the messages in this forum are read by them, too. By the way, we have an ongoing wishlist for Vue 5 (somewhere in the archive... Varian?), which I intend to make public again in a few months...the purpose being to submit to them around Spring, 2002.