Hi ^^

Finally I was able to test the P14 cloth physics.

To be honest, I’m still undecided.

You’ve already posted quite a few results, so I started experimenting as well. And I agree with you: it’s noticeably more complicated.

A very simple example.

AO Loose Shirt on La Femme 1.

Dynamic simulation in Poser 13:

• load figure

• dress figure

• enter simulation settings (and I’ll be honest, I’m really lazy there – I usually just use the defaults and afterwards run Wolf’s script for fabric properties)

• done

All of that in maybe 3 minutes max.

P13 default Cloth Simulation 

P14 Default Cloth Simulation (I forgot to unparent the shirt)

P14 default Cloth Simulation AFTER shirt parented to UNIVERSE

P14 Auto Glue - I think this is nice, but you can not change the settings, after every simulation they are default. So better copy them and disable Auto Glue + delete this glues

P14 Auto Glue by default - see how stiff the fabric behave at the hip? thats why I copied the Auto glues

P14 final result after editing my copied Auto Glues + after workung with Morph Brush (loosen fit + soften)

Now P14 Cloth:

• load figure

• dress figure

• enter simulation data for what should be simulated

• start first simulation

• adjust collision properties to fix holes

• start second simulation

• correct collision data

• start third simulation

• I probably did this at least 20 times and not a single result really satisfied me

• identified Poser cloth glue dynamics as the problem

• the auto-glue settings in the shirt can’t be edited or deleted, so I copied every single one, then completely disabled Poser cloth glue dynamics and deleted the remaining auto-glue parameters (I still had my copies)

• edited the copied auto-glues with weights and/or more or less dynamics

• ran what felt like the 30th simulation

• realized that the previously made collision settings no longer worked because La Femme now had bubbles on her back

• reset those settings back to factory defaults (OMG, could we PLEASE get a button to reset these to default?)

• simulated again

• the result was okay, but without the morph brush it’s simply not doable

All in all, this probably took me almost an hour.
Okay, to be fair: it was my first simulation with a completely new feature.

But honestly? For those of us who grew up with the Cloth Room, this is a tool that can give you gray hair. And for absolute beginners it’s barely manageable at all.

What I would really like is having both options:
the old, familiar Cloth Room and the new physical functions.

Since other programs can handle this as well, I do believe it’s ultimately a matter of practice and patience, especially in the beginning.

Personally, I will still play around with it because I think there are great possibilities.
But quickly throwing together a scene and then running 17 dynamic simulations? Nope. Absolutely no longer doable. The parameters are far too complex, the result is basically achieved through trial and error, and you still have to work with the morph brush afterwards.

I’m really torn.

By the way, I followed this tutorial: https://www.posersoftware.com/documentation/14/HTML/poser-cloth-usage-tutorial.html

One big AHA moment for me was when I parented the clothing to the Universe as recommended. That alone made the result much more pleasant and natural after the simulation.

What I still don’t understand is:
why can’t a software simply be programmed so that clothing does NOT go through a SOLID body?

Where is the problem in something very simple like:

• solid object / body

• dynamic object

• and then just a setting where gravity behaves as it should, and the fabric does NOT go through breasts, shoulders, belly, or back, and doesn’t float in the air like a piece of plastic?

One request:
Someone thought this tool was a perfect idea.

Could that person please post a video showing how they themselves set up such a simulation without having to morph it afterwards?

Does the person who decided this should be the tool actually work with Poser at all?

Because in my opinion, there’s often a huge difference between a project manager or programmer and someone who actually uses the software.

Anyway, despite all this, I’m still grateful that Poser is continuing to move forward.