nonono - the texture i used in the pics above is the infamous renderosity marketplace texture that i dare not mention by name (if you have any doubt as to which one it is, read the 200 post long debates over it in the C&D forum, or ask ironbear :) the texture that i made is very different - my ex is pale as a marshmallow, hehe :) its the scottish blood. im just going to re-texture the whole damned thing - i dont want to use the original texture partly because of possible legal problems and partly for the same reason that i changed the face. ill get the material, but it may take a little while.