Thanks for all your feedback guys,the links and advice TOO I have no problem using bryce (not that I'm an expert) and realise anything is possible with it.My querie was regarding the gallery here and Phantast's comments resolved the issue.I agree about the fact you have to categorise in that way but I would think the program that had the biggest effect should count however I'd also have to agree with you AgentSmith on the final render issue and that's an impressive image you made.I realise with all the models etcetera available bryce can be turned into a very powerful 3d tool.=) The reason I brought this up is because i've just started using bryce 4.I used V1 when it first come out but haven't touched it in years.It's the only 3d tool i like using.Tried rds and 3ds but find them too technical.Much prefer my fine arts,using tactile things but I can handle bryce as far as digital art goes.Anyway i'll stop rambling now and just hope more people will explain how they made their images when they upload them.This would help a great deal for everyone to understand and learn...PEACE CT