ack, Mike and Katherine's R'osity nick is "mandk", I missed the "d" above, sorry. But I do have some links this time. :) This is a basic fractal generator that's fun to play with, freeware: http://www.imaxx.net/~shawn/chaosv13.zip Hurray! I found the new page for Stephen Ferguson's excellent freeware programs: http://www.eclectasy.com/Iterations-et-Flarium24/ Here is Paul Lee's extensive fractal generator list: http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/Fractal_Software.html