Thanks for the feedback Mike.........that was interesting information. I appreciate understanding how those things work. I don't have Poser or any program that is specific to creating models and meshes so I'm never quite sure why some things work and others don't. This is a bit off Vue topic, but is there anyone who creates Poser models that reflect "real life" people......you know like Mom's and Dad's and kids and farmers :) Most of what I see being done with Poser is pretty exotic. I'm planning to do a series of images in Vue and Byrce or both, on things I remember from my childhood.....the country school, the farm, the county fair, Christmas in the old farm house, etc. It would be wonderful to "people" some of these. I've considered getting Poser, but would like to see some examples of it's use along these lines. If anyone has a link or two, I'd appreciate it! :) BTW, I did sent the actual link to Sharen for the Orio tree. Hopefully she got it??? You have to join the Yahoo VuedEsprit Group to get it (which I did and would encourage others to do, since I believe Orio is involved with that!). I thought I would save her some time, since she was so patient with my questions :) Hopefully that's ok with Orio! It will be active until the end of this week..........then gone forever I guess. It is a large download.....16Mb. Sandy