Oh, the light bulbs are slowly coming on. I read that last post, and saw things I had previously missed. Let me paraphrase: 1.) The reason the brows gone dial/morph didn't work is because it shouldn't. 2.) The proper way to do these settings is with textures and transparencies, etc? Am I even close this time to comprehension? By the way, I tried using MAT/Textures, whatever they are called. I ended up with Vicki looking like she had been hit by the plague or something. I kept trying again and again with the same result. I figured that isn't supposed to happen, and gave up. I'm trying to find an example, but can't. I'll try to recreate the problem and post an example. Thanks for helping.... I think I'm starting to grasp things. PS: 1.) call me Ron 2.) Hi Doug!