hi I will stand Amapi right next to any program you can put in this list. Amapi has every modeling tool that the big dogs have with maybe the exception of max's excellent 'skinning' method (most excellent). but for the bang/buck ratio...you can not, and will not beat the very program you are on the way to learning right now. of course thats not to say that you will automatically open amapi and make models like these..but you wont automatically make models with any program. :) BT