As I said in an earlier thread, I really thing CL needs to get Poser 5 out the door real-soon-now, else they are going to loose creditabilty. And I also think part of the problem is they are really trying to do all the stuff we asked, and we asked for the sun and the moon! Heck, I'd buy a Poser 5 upgrade if it jst had more readable morph dials! But now! Incidently, one problem with announcing future versions is the sales for the current one dry up, as people wait, so if they do that (announce it) it is customary to have some kind of very liberal upgrade for people who purchase the old version before the new one is ready.