Thank you zspider Jim, I know what you mean about those dials! I've got a 21" monitor and I still have to lean forward to read them. JAB.. how can you get anything done with Bryce? I have it but it's not even installed anymore. The render times are just way way too long, no matter what I'm rendering with that program. If you can possibly afford Cinema4D, you will have a blast, and you'll have far greater modeling and rendering capabilities, along with perfect Poser integration. Maybe you can qualify for a student version somehow? As far as Curious Labs and their 'business plan'.. I think we all tend to take things for granted sometimes.. such as the fact that such stunning output is now possible and that there are so few technical problems. Try hanging out in a Lightwave community for awhile. Imagine constantly having Poser crash on you and fail to do the things that it's supposed to.. and imagine that you had paid $2000 for it! Then you'd appreciate what a prize Poser really is. None of us know the challenges that Curious Labs faces, just to stay alive. The fact that this huge community exists, based almost solely on their product is an indication that they are doing something right. We only care about Poser, so we don't appreciate them moving in other directions.. but despite our 'theories', they are succeeding and probably know what they need to do, to continue to stay alive. As Sergeant Jack and JoatMon pointed out.. their expansion might not only bring in a group with huge money resources.. it will expose a whole new audience, (a huge one) to Poser. Can you imagine if Poser was discontinued? We'd all be in mourning for quite awhile. I'm not condemning anyone for asking for 'more', or critisizing the flaws in Poser, I have emailed them and torn them a new asshole myself.. but I think I also have to give credit, where credit is due.