The short fur tutorial I did was such a simple thing I almost didnt post it, I figured any one could figure that one out...but apparentlly I was wrong...I've gotten more thank yous for that than just about anything I've ever posted...So ideas while sometimes very simple can be very helpful... After looking at nerd's prop vrs other props out there, I will say yes its a terribly simple idea, but I didnt come up with it...He also included a tutorial of sorts on how to make the back ground images right for the model, the horizon line I'm guessing needs to be in the right spot for these things to work...I don't think Bloodsongs idea and Nerds idea are the same, just similiar...course I could be wrong as I dont own either of them... As for posavic, well I worked on her for quite a bit but V2 was released at about the same time, so she was never as "hot" as she could have been...Still, she was a good idea, and she is very different from P4VSkin...Yes I did download P4VSkin and compare them... People who ask earn my respect, perhaps that isnt much and not worth the time of some, but I do thank all those folks who took the time to ask about things, my answer is almost always yes, but being asked deffinatelly makes a big difference... Take Anton's Magic for instance...Very very very simple idea, which was copied within 2 days of its release...Still, if it were so simple, why was anton the first to publish it?...hmmmmm... In closing here is how I see it...If people continue to take the very simple ideas of others the origionators may decide it isnt worth persuing these simple ideas, and we may loose out on all the future simple ideas down the road...Sure some one else may figure it out later, but then will they share it?...or will they also assume that some one else will come along and figure it out?...Sure its a free market, and unorigional ideas are free game, but it never hurts to ask... ps Appology accepted...and my ethics haven't changed in years...