"The release of P4VSkin has actually improved my sales of posavic rather than hindering them...so that kinda blows that theory... " Something I didn't mention before (and in fairness, definitely should have) is that the average quality of third-party Poser stuff has really shot up since the Marketplace was introduced. No surprise there... it's the Ayn Rand joy of capitalism in effect. Back where there was only FreeStuff, there were still amazing items produced (like Tim Laubach's textures, Traveller's Eve, Staale's work, etc) but the majority were tweaks or simple things like the items I once did for FreeStuff, because there wasn't an obvious incentive or recompense for doing more. More people can invest time and money in creating Poser addons and in increasing their quality (in order to compete for shoppers' dollars) now that there's a way for them to be reimbursed for it. That's really raised the bar on the kind of stuff that's available for Poser, even if it means you have to get your wallet out for some of it. In that sense, the Marketplace has been a very positive thing for the community. On the other hand, it's not a good thing that Renderosity has become commerce-oriented to such an extent that a well-meaning person, like Visualkinetics, runs the risk of criticism for simply giving away a free item that they made themselves. -nemo