Soulhuntre, The beauty of AvLab from a developmental standpoint is that it can be re-worked to support a game system that has a long enough lifespan to justify us rolling out a new rev of the product, but game communities are way more expensive to market a product to than what we can do to address an Atmosphere customer, and far greater a crapshoot. Developing AvLab, today, for Atmosphere takes advantage of more of our existing technology than going in any other direction. Is Microsoft interested in us supporting something in the fashion of an xBox exporter, sorry I can't go into that, but suffice it to say that they're interested in everyone in this arena for the time being. BTW, I can acknowledge that we work with Intel. Adobe a lucrative partner?- cooperative is a better word. As for the technology? It's raydiosity rendered lighting, that's very high end, it depends on how the user chooses to light the scene. Coarse textures? -user choice again. Is it a PS2 quality 3D experience? no. But I don't spend time playing games, so perhaps I'm not as affected by the appearance, it's a f##kload better than any form of VRML, or any other web 3D though. Picking the wrong horse? not from my cloudy perspective. Will it be a success? no guarantees on anything, shoot, we could develop a great P5 with every bell and whistle in the world, make it too expensive and no-one wants to buy it. Even that's not a guaranteed success, it's about gambling, with hopefully enough inside knowledge that we can place our money on the right horse. The way that you use Poser is great. I love hearing about folks with deep production projects trying to get the "little tool that could" do what they need it to do. If it doesn't fulfill that, you should move on to character studio or another product that meets your needs, really. We can't be character studio. And the first step of Pro Pack hosting would have been undeliverable if it held parameter level control- for the future though,it's becoming a justifiable expense. more on this later... gotta go for now...