Funny when I come to think of it... High-end software users falling back on a "low-end" 3D program to get to accomplish those things the high-end progs dont seem to provide ways for. Even when your complaints about Poser are just, shouldnt you be complaining with the high-end manufacturers to add the features you need, esp. when you consider the high-end prices. Of course, the current Poser version needs enhancements, it has enough flaws that need to be corrected, and yes, new gadgets are welcomed, but in the current discussion I sense a bit of Ferrari owners complaining about their Ford shopping car. Ford has to develop a new, Ferrari alike, model at a Ford price. Obviously Ford cant, at least, not without charging a Ferrari price and if they did that, nobody would buy the car as Ferrari has the name, why buy a clone when you can have the real deal at the same price? I think its not very realistic and personally I am quite happy with the current version, but Im surely willing to pay a $100 more for a new version, but thats about it. I dont need an advanced animation system or all those sophisticated gadgets a 3DSMAX provides. I am happy with my Ford, just looking forward to see their latest model.... Maxx :-)