I wrote a reply thanking everyone for their input, but I guess I fumbled the post somehow. Anyway, thanks friends for all your great info! I received Bryce 5 (upgrade from 4) before I posted it. I really like it, however, I do have some gripes (render time, no object geometry editing), but I really do like Bryce. And I admit, although I have tried the Vue 4 demo version, I haven't given it a chance really. I was just interested in the Vue 4 versus Bryce 5 debate. MightPete: "I always render 1280 X 1024 in Vue. I never even tried in Bryce. I don't have weeks and weeks to wait for it to finnish." I agree that Bryce is SLOW! I tried rendering a 4000 x 3000 (I think), but it stopped responding after I stopped the render to open up PSP3 to see how the render progress was going. I have a Pentium 3 with 128MB of SDRAM, so I guess I need one of those industrial computers, or something. Laurie A (and MikeJ agrees with Laurie here): "One of the things that nagged me about Bryce was that kludgy interface where you are always having to constantly switch back and forth between views." If I gave Vue a fair chance, and got used to the interface, I probably would agree, although I haven't yet, so I cannot say for sure. I'm so used to the Bryce interface, and love the changes in B5, that I felt the Vue interface to be too "soft", but as I said, I really haven't given it a chance, and most likely, when funds are available, Vue is certainly something one would want to add to their graphic utility lineup. Joeblack: "Vue4 is 40% faster than Vue3" This is an excellent enhancement. How did they do it? THis is one of my gripes with Bryce, and if they could revamp the engine to make it faster, without compromising quality features and enhancements, I wish they could do it. Either that, or I get a new computer. Agiel, MsOutlaw, You have to decide on your own though." This is good advice, I hear echoed from many on Renderosity. artman3d: "is hard[] . . . to animate in bryce . . ." Excellent point. I have had Bryce 4 for a long time, and haven't figured it out. Of course, I almost never use the manuals, and like to try it out myself. This could be a hint on the intuitivity of the interface here. And I have seen an amazing animation of fish from Vue, on the net. Again, thanks to everyone for their input, and look forward to any replies, and further debate and information on this subject. BR Burton http://www.MessianicArt.com/