"Even when your complaints about Poser are just, shouldnt you be complaining with the high-end manufacturers to add the features you need, esp. when you consider the high-end prices."

Umm... there are no features missing from the high end systems with one, and only one, exception. Price, not of the software... of the meshes.

Poser is nice, but there is nothing unique about it's abilities - the morphs are completely do-able and the posing system is fairly simple. There are some minor benefits to the UI for simplicity sake but this is not about Poser supplying anything Max doesn't.

What makes Poser useful right now is the vendors. The ability to buy the textures, clothing and characters. The fact that they are in Poser format is (to me) a side effect.

"I dont need an advanced animation system or all those sophisticated gadgets a 3DSMAX provides."

Well I would say that just about everyone who works with Poser would agree that the clothing system needs an overhaul and the joint deformation problems are an issue. Hell, these get in the way of Posers theoretical primary function - to be able to pose models. Skip the advanced stuff - how about just making what is there work better?

"It does strike me that the first of the great car manufacturers was not Ferrari, but Ford with its Model T and over the century they have made far more cash than Ferrari!"

And eventually the Model T gave way to a more modern, but still low end, vehicle. As the market improves what customers come to expect even from "low end" systems is bound to change.

"discussion I sense a bit of Ferrari owners complaining about their Ford shopping car."

And that is perfectly reasonable when the problem is not that the Ford isn't the Ferrari - but that it needs to move on if it is going to be a decent Ford.

Even if the Ford is your second car after a while you have the right to ask for air bags and FM radio :)

Look, this isn't about slamming CL, or insulting them so they won't make Poser anymore. This isn't about turning Poser into Max.

This is about not being afraid or feeling guilty about pointing out that while Poser is a great program... there are some glaring problems that desperately need to be patched.

That's all.