speaking of which I think I may have to give up on Horton and do him when I have a little more skill in organics, getting an elephants trunk to blend to his face and make it seem like its all one piece is tough. I think I may do the cat in the hat next, he doesn't look too hard. Not that I gave up on Horton willingly, I re-modeled him 5 times trying to get it right. Perhaps later I'll come back to him and get it the 6th time around.