My brother tells me they are supposed to not have indentions too, but it's no fun not being able to make them grimace. As for the no eyes morph i look for EVER for them and finally found some at gives up his secret 3d-cc actually under miscillaneous downloads. it's called the Superset and there's a thumbnail for the vicki version, and right under that is a simple link to the Mike version. I forgot that I'd done a Loial too so here in a bit i'll do some pictures maybe of him. Scaled to size of course. I really want to do the main characters but i need a tunic ya know for mike. I also tried a trolloc but oh what a nightmare trying to group body parts and bones and all that ack.. but now that i bought Massive mike i'm thinking i'll try again...