Sigh! I stopped posting on Poser gallery because of similar arguments being made there with preferred rendering engines, etc. I don't want to be a part of any flame wars; I'll just do what the moderators tell me to do. They work hard trying to please everyone. I've posted a couple images in the Mixed Media gallery, as that has to be safe??? Though back in school I always thought "Mixed Media" was mixing pastels and oil... I'm not really a very good artist, (I write software for a living), but when the muse strikes I like to hit back with whatever tools I have at hand. A note to any software vendors out there: I don't want one huge, expensive, complicated application which does everything! [I will Beta test anything you care to send... ;> ] I thought it sad when Poser/Bryce/Painter/KPT Effects devorced. They were starting to work so well together! It is good to use the best tool for the job. I've been known to render something in POV or Tierazon, or that nifty new program xenodream. Or even, gasp!, use a crayon and scan it in. I feel software vendors could learn quite a lot by watching how some of the folks work at Renderosity. That being said, (and again, no flames please), I don't hold it against anyone who has access to the "high end" stuff, or who has learned any tool to push it to its maximum. I appreciate it both when artists list their tools, so I can gasp and wonder, and when they leave it a mystery, so I can again gasp and wonder.