What bugs me is Cr2's pointing to the darnedest places.....geometries go in the geometries folder, not the libraries..... As for self installers, I detest them. My poser directory is not in C:Program Files, nor is anything else of importance. As of this moment, I have 8 different files named "sword1". We are artists, be creative. They are some really cool swords, though. PS, thanks for all the stuff anyway....8^)