I have been ranting about this for nearly 3 years. Poser does not want normals. Poser does not like normals. Poser creates its own normals in RAM. If you leave in normals the chances are high you will have holes in your mesh. There are no normals in Zygote/Daz models, and they have been making the included models for Poser since at least P3. You can remove the vn lines in a text editor, or, far more quickly - automatically - with the Masher in CR2Edit. Daz requested the batch processing feature for this tool because they deal with many many files in a day. Doing this also reduces the file size by 15 - 30%. Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com/cr2edit/cr2edit.html Sorry Win only for software http://www.zenwareonline.com for ZenPaint, ZenTile, ZenGrid and VueMaster