Thanks Nan. I too have thick skin, so alway feel free to say what you think about any of my stuff. It is the only way I know to get better at it. Otherwise, I just keep repeating the same old mistakes. :o) BTW, the lighting issue you mention is probably due to my using the depth cue setting when I rendered the picture to create the cloudy like atomosphere. I have yet to figure out how to use it well.