Well Said by welcomsite and Lorraine.... I agree that each program is merely a tool and if the majority of it is poser then it deserves to be in the poser area... but I too like the challenge in getting the most outta Poser that I can (which isn't much right now...LOL) But I see both sides of the fence... and heaven forbid we ever start turning our backs on one another and start casting one another out because "she uses this" or "he uses that" Cujo