I started this 3d/2d thing from a point of zero knowledge of any programs, slowly I learned what could be done through this forum and through hours of trying to copy the techniques or discover the techniqes I saw here. I personally liked the images that included post work. They appeared to be closer to "traditional" artwork, and looked less stark, less mechanically contrived. Post work should complement the 3d elements and the 3d elements should integrate well into the whole final result. This is not an easy thing, no siree...those 3d models are cranky, that post work can turn a perfectly good poser render to crap. But bluring the torn mesh elbows and knees was a necessary post work around. I also want to point out that poser models have changed. We have been challenged to create realistic, we have been challanged to create "painterly" we have been challanged to create as many different end results as possible. We, each of us. Are challanged to make the best image. The catagory-itis that seems to inflict some of us appears to be related to a certain feeling of isolation that occurs when our art does not "ring the bell" so to speak and generate lots of comments or high scores. At some point in each artists development I believe they reach a crisis point, they question whether or not they can ever create something that another person would like. It is at that point the artist struggles with the reason they create in the first place. I can only speak about myself, I decided that I wanted to create to satisfy my own vision. I had to decide at that point that the images would be made to satisfy that vision first, and quite frankly I have yet to have a worthy image yet. I do however notice that as I struggle with my work, some images take more post work than others. Feathers, hair, some details to the clothing, all require post work due to the inherent limitations of the programs. What is happening though is that there are others out there who are working on perfecting and expanding these areas... I think we should look at what we can do to share our techniques, whether that is post work or pure poser....the more we all learn different tools the more variety we can put into our art.... just because we know how to paint with oils does not mean our charcoal sketches are the only pure artform....as artists we capitalize on all kinds of materials to create...computer images are no different.... It is a mix and match world......what we have with all these programs is a box of crayons, a touch of poser, a dab of bryce and fx are at our fingertips....create ...create...!