Yeah, actually, I see now what you mean. I'm still thinking of procedurals in terms of texture mapping, even though I do t know the difference. Normals might be a good starting point, which might explain why the Amorphium sphere shows nothing; I know Amorph has certain Normals problems... hmmmm... it is unusual, isn't it, why the fuzzy materials just "take" better to Vue primitives better than to other objects. My only guess now woud be that the procedurals such as the fuzzy ones were specifically designed with Vue primitives in mind, and possiblt the fuzzy materilas were designed with ONLY the Vue spheres in mind. They don't look very good on a Vue cube, for example, though not bad, but not as good as on a sphere.