Well as I feared. "Not available for MAC at this time" But I should have known this, since Atmosphere is also "Not available for the MAC". But that aside. Riddle me this ... Are all the avatars stagnent? Can they move? I know that on Phil's world he has avatars in an animation loop. But all other avatars/surfers just stand, jump and glide in their origional pose. And can't you just export a MTS (Viewpoint/Metastream) file and do the same thing? Right now I don't see enough information (screen shots and maybe a simple animated gif or two) on the site to shell out $70 (I am one of the lucky ones that also own a PC, but use my MACs much more) for something that I might be able to do with Pro Pack alone. I realize that this would take away the tedium of doing it on your own, but you should explain why and maybe a comparison to doing it on your own and with Avatar Lab. Sorry to sound so negative, but $70 is quite alot to spend on an online persona. I used to love "The Palace" chat rooms. They were visual and far more interesting than a text chat. But that too was interesting to begin with, but then the novelty wore off. Until this is more "The norm" for online chatting and available for the MAC I don't see me going for it now. Go ahead Steve, convince me to do it! ;-) James