It doesn't sound like you've really checked out what's happening in Atmosphere, sorry Mac only for now... The Palace? That goes way back. You "used" to be an early adopter... ;-) The animations are great. Chris DeRochie set them up. Moonwalk, crazy walks, jumps, gestures, idle states or bring in animations from Poser- they're very much alive. You should check out the experience before condemning it. Anyway, I was up too late last night trying to wrap things up. It's time for dinner and Monsters Inc. with the family. Later, Kupa