nitreug, Avatar Lab will not be a part of a future release of Poser. Atmosphere is in beta, true, but Adobe has a deep commitment to this platform (some-day-for-sale world builder tool and always-free world viewer plug-in) and they plan on continuing development over the next year, launching a full release version. They are behind this system to the same degree they were behind their PDF tools and reader in the first days of that innovative product's life cycle. Adobe will let their tools proliferate to help build the market and create a ubiquitous 3D world platform for e-commerce, information delivery and community building. In the early days of the web there was Mosaic, and then Netscape- free previewing/browsing tools that few people were comfortable building web pages for until wysiwyg authoring tools became available. I consider Avatar Lab to be the first wysiwyg creation tool for the 3D web. It feels like an historic event to me. And you guys are a part of that. Soapbox gone, time for bed. Kupa