listen to me...everyone thinks if you are having problems with the speed then the person is doing something wrong,wrong!even at 90%free resoures,386megs of ram,800mhz processer,30gig hard drive running at 7200rpm all of the render options set at minimum including no textures at default fast preview throw in a few trees a terrain and no added lights and bryce5 crawls along like its had the stuffing smacked out of it compared to other raytracers and i dont know where eveyone gets this stuff "its only a little longer than 4"little?little?never mind i guess i need to buy another desktop and link it to this one so i can just see if i got that tree on the ground or to see if i got that light pointed right,i think they shouldve told eveyone that bryce5 takes a monster of a system to have good render times,just think theres some poor sap out there somewhere with a little 64mg ram-200mhz pentium-10gig harddrive dreaming of buying 5 and then discovering he needs about twelve more computers to render a pic...