Thank you both maygen and Alpha, I love what you pointed out Fred, about the movement, I find this interesting, and would love if we could set up something where you might and I might and maybe a few members might sit and chat and have an actual information tuty kind of deal. Like set up of an image, and framing and what to think of. I like these cause I didn't do any postwork in photoshop like I love to say on flower images and stuff. Interesting to note, I should have called the second photograph a walk on the gangplanks of Lady bugs LOL.... Maygen I watch discovery all the time, and sometimes this bug life stuff gets pretty in depth, and find it fascinating the info on them climbing to the highest point, thus, they are all crusted together on the top of that needle! What I noticed this year in particular is that we had an infestation of lady bugs if you can believe that. When I took the air conditioner down it was filled with them, and then on the metal piece that holds the air conditioner to the window, there were almost a hundred of them clustered on it. I had them falling all over the room, and I didn't know what to do. Syyd