LOl, wgreenlee1 you were almost directly on the bullseye! I run my Bryce 4 on a Pentium 1...yes 1...200Mhz cpu with 32Mb ram, and two 2.5 Gig 5400rpm Hardrives. Oh, and my video card? A $12 trident 1mb card, no agp, no direct 3d, no open gl. What are you, psychic? Startin' to scare me, man, lol. I have said before that I now know for a fact that 5 is around 8% slower than 4. How do I know? I made a scene in 4 with a variety of materials and timed the render. Then I opened that scene in 5 and timed the render, result was about 8% slower. Just in case, I replicated the scene from scratch in 5 the SAME EXACT way as I did in 4, same result. Even in my longest render time ever of 25 hours, 8% only adds 2 more hours. Most of my renders average a couple hours, so an additional 15 mintues won't kill me. But, it's all in what you render. Render a complex scene, pay the price of time. Now...results will be different pc to pc, don't take 8% as gospel, some people notice up to 15%. And, tree's in 5 can't really be compared to 4's render times, 4 just didn't have them. Tree's can be very complex and can slow render times, I've noticed my rendering slowing way down by adding a handful of tree's, that's just the nature of a complex model, sucks but oh well. I don't think anyone is doing anything wrong, I just know how I acted with 4's settings when I first got it and man, can I relate. Also, don't get me completely wrong...Bryce is not a fast renderer, never has been, but that's just the nature of a true raytracer. Point is this...somebody looks around the Renderosity gallery and they are inspired and/or excited and they spend the $150 or $300 for Bryce 5. Then they get stuck, frustrated, and want help. In the forums they should get help, direction, a prod in the ass to read their manual, etc. But to just state a quick opinion of "Bryce 5 Sucks"...come on, man...that ain't helping at all. Just because you don't like B5 and can't make it work like you want, doesn't mean I don't/can't or that someone else won't. But hey, it's a public forum, state whatever you want. And as far as Lightwave 7 goes, no thank you! I looked at the guides for it at my bookstore, it's looks like quantum physics. Best of luck deci6el, I remember your "cyclops" pic, always really liked it. Agent Smith

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