Thanks Agent. I fight with the lighting all the time in Bryce. I actually used PSP7 to do the lighting effects in Coming Into the World. I also use that to size my thumbs etc. That doesn't actually help the shadows in the actual scene though because it's already been rendered in Bryce right??? It's the sky aspect of Bryce that drives me nuts. I never seem to get it right. I try and add lights and as you saw never place them right. Do you know of any tuts for basic lighting or lighting tricks for Bryce? The clarity Im talking about does get much worse after saving as a jpg. I will defiantly try your suggestions. Thanks so much.