Agent Smith, Thanks so much for the compliment. I was trying to sell LW7 to anybody here (or there) only brought it up because I am currently at the bottom of that particular learning curve and yeah, it might as well be quantum physics, it's dense! I haven't given up on Bryce, I just needed something to get my character into animating in a better environment and Bryce won't let me do that. Good to see this is still a friendly forum. deci6el