I'm downloading the new beta right now, Steve. I'm not afraid of them anymore now that I have the undo process down. Hey, if it means anything, I took the day off yeterday and played with Vue 4 WITH this last patch, all day. Once I learned what not to touch, all went well, and Vue ran for hours without crashing. I was saving often, though. For that matter, my most recent gallery image was done with the 4.03beta2 patch installed. It's actually a good thing--- I learned more yesterday about how to get the camera to do what I want, than I have in a whole year and 1/2 of using the preset aspect ratios. :) I'll always be willing to try out whatever it is that you have new for us, and I'm glad to be of help. Cheers, and thanks Mike