Thanks everyone for your comments. I still have alot to learn about lighting and shadows. As LaurieA suggested I have I hope improved the testure of the road and added more weeds and bushes. I'm still not sure about how to get the softer and deeper shadows, as LaurieA and gebe suggested. LaurieA, I am using version 4.01 with no extras yet. Gebe, what place does this remind you of? Varian, you are soooooo right about the cliff behind the castle, and actually my best work is still off camera. Maybe I should try a pict. from the back side. Still, let me know what you think and if anyone can come up with a name for this scene let me know cause i'm still undecided.