Thanks for the urls information my friend. They help a lot... Even looking at models that have been made before had help a lot in creating you own models also. You said you had a picture called "the Royal starship" However when I searched under you handle I only found four starwars pictures (all very well done btw) but not this picture. This picture interests me because you stated you did it the way I'm trying (modeling in Rhino, and rendering in Bryce) so if you still have that picture, please can I see it? I have been playing with the mesh for DFX, which does appear to work now that I decrease the amount of mesh/line sizes. However, OBJ files still do not work - mainly it loads the OBJ file (exported from Rhino) into Bryce, but only 2 objects, and 1 line is found in the file... Can't understand WHY this is happening however. Maybe I'm using a incorrect export setting? As a matter of interest - can you use Bryce 2 and 3 materials in bryce 4?? tracy :)