And no wonder you taking drugs. How long will it be man. I know you hate animated givs. BUT if you shrink it down you can create an animated gif with tens of frams using PSP animation creator. There's gotta be a way to stream it out using Rocity but I have no idea. mpetit69- that's a nice animation example it appears to have good resolution. Yes you can upload animated gifs. BUT I think the forum size limit is 200K however it may be greater in the Gallery section. I'm not sure I havent posted there in a long while. I would suggest though that if you do decide to post an animated gif that it be a larger. 180 X 180 shouldn't take too much diskspace. Also don't forget that if you make the colors trans. parent it will save a little space. Check into Media cleaner. There used to be a free version that you could use to create animations. Personally I usually use PSP 6 animation creator. Bsteph