One of the main features that Bryce 5 brings is the Tree Lab, which is some sort of mesh editing thingie. I tried it in the Bryce 5 demo and couldn't get it make anything much different from the default tree. So, the Corel people would have you believe that you have an unlimited amount of trees and plants, etc., that you can use, but I dunno.... Anyhow, that's one of the great things about Vue, is that by altering the image and transparency maps on the various vegetations, you can in fact have virtually unlimited trees and plants in your scene. Vue 4 is also less expensive than Bryce 5, and another pls is that they're tech man, Steve Bell actually visits this forum and deals with us when we have problems. Try getting THAT out of anyone at Corel! ;) Anyhow, go with Vue 4, and you won't be disappointed. There are some issues, to be sure, but they're constantly being fixed. The latest patch seems to have cleared up almost everything except for the Poser .BUM file problem. PS Glad you're OK and back, Cozmic!