Hi, Yeah, and once you start putting them in crew necks she'll complain about the makeup :) In a breakthrough in understanding, after almost 25 years of research, I think I now know what it is women want!!! Namely, "thier own way" which changes from moment to moment, depending on the weather, the woman & the phase of the moon ;) Not that this information has ever done me much good in my dealings with women. I figure they must must be related to "the Shadow" both in the "knowing what evil lurks in the hearts of men" part, but especially the ability to "cloud" men's minds :P later jb