I recentally did the NEW DAZ calendar, and the cover took 3 days to render. I always try (opportune word here) to avoid volumetrics in Bryce if possible and turn off anything like refractions that aren't going to be used. But I have to agree ... Bryce is "Dog Slow". As for Poser renders, these never take long at all. The most I've waited was about 30 minutes. And that was a 300 dpi 3500 x 2500 render with shadows set as high as 2400, and several lights casting shadows. But never used that render. You still have to much post work to do on a Poser render. Perhaps Poser 5 will have a ray trace engine. James