giddings wrote: "It's what I suspected...Bryce has a quality that has nothing to do with 'production/work flow' considerations." I think you are getting mixed up between your subjective impressions and the requirements of an objective assessment. It would be more accurate to say that Bryce doesn't conform to your preconceptions of 'production/workflow considerations'. Most Bryce users find the production and workflow capacity of Bryce to be exceptionally good, simply because they are able to produce a flow of work without a learning curve akin to a university degree course. Those 'stupid Kai tools' you mentioned are particularly suited to non-computer/tech 'geeks' who in the real world are 'freehand' artists rather than technical drawing draftspersons. The Bryce interface enables 'normal' people to quickly become adept at operating in virtual 3D space. Nearly all the other tools are equally well thought out, providing a route to fast results with lots of accessibility for ease of creative input. A review of Bryce should at least have a perspective of how it might suit a '3D beginner', as in a non-computer savvy person. For regular people, there is probably no faster way to getting results on screen, and hardly no better way for their creativity to shine through. The worst type of Bryce review is one conducted by a Bryce newbie who happens to be a long standing skilled user of one of the advanced CAD type 3D programs such as 3DSMax, Lightwave, formZ, etc. They'll simply dismiss Bryce as a toy, having completely missed the point of it. Unfortunately for the 'professional credibility' of Bryce, it is so easy to use that a lot of casual users produce a plethora of images that have not seen much input beyond the 'default' level of the program. This is the most frequently seen output from Bryce, and many people think this is all it is capable of producing. The reality is that Bryce is capable of output that is on a par with all but the most advanced features of mega-expensive programs. Skilled users are able to produce just about any type of image, ranging from photorealism through abstract to 'painterly'. Artists like gevidal often manage to make pictures featuring all those aspects! (to move up and down, move your mouse left to right)? That's news to me. Which control is providing you with that confusion?